YAY FOR MY BANKROLL!
Villain is 40.86/27.6/1.84
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
5 players
Pre-flop: (5 players) MikeySong is UTG with 5h as
MikeySong raises, CO folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, MikeySong calls.
Flop: qc 5d 4s (7.67SB, 2 players)
MikeySong checks, Button bets, MikeySong raises, Button calls.
Turn: ah (5.83BB, 2 players)
MikeySong bets, Button raises, MikeySong 3-bets, Button calls.
River: kh (11.83BB, 2 players)
MikeySong CHECK/CALLS
Villain showed AK.
Alrighty, let's look at this hand. I raised utg and button 3bet from the button. From a logical standpoint, this could mean several things, the most logical being, he has a strong hand to 3bet a UTG raiser, while the other end would be, he is going to play his position vs. me
Flop: he bet/calls my check-raise. AQ most likely 3bets here. Now I'm putting him on A high or pocket pair.
Turn: the Ace, I bet and he-raises - obv. has an Ace, does he have AQ?, I 3bet and he only calls. He does not have AQ. I actually didn't give him a range, I just knew I was ahead here.
River: K. I seriously froze. It just made total sense to me that villain had AK, but check/folding is too silly! And if I'm right, do I really want to bet fold or bet call? I just don't know how can you fold here. So I check/called. My gut was right and he showed two pair, AK. Now, villain could've easily had AJ, A10, etc. but I felt so strongly he had AK I just had to check/call.
Mags, you wrote: "I think betting makes him fold a wide range of weak hands where checking may induce a bluff bet. My thinking definetly seems flawed because he might check down a weak ace."
I really like this line of thinking. One thing to never forget is that in these low limit games, a weak Ace is never folding. I believe that someone with an aggression level of near 2 is willing to bet the river with a weak Ace if we check it. The whole time we were representing a strong hand, and now we're checking? This is villain's last attempt to bluff us off a hand, so checking to induce a bluff is not a bad play at all! (but if you know you're ahead, it's still better to bet for metagame reasons, otherwise ppl will float you to the river and bet when you check)
I think 40/27 is a silly lag. I really don't know what his 3betting range is. I forget where but I read somewhere that having your stats of 30/20/2 are optimal and I'll believe it, my stats are very similar to that :D
I want to sidetrack for a second. Another friend I was talking to mentioned something along the lines of becoming really LAG. I don't know why you would want to become as LAG as possible? The more LAG you are, the bigger teh variance/swings you'll experience. A friend asked me, do you want to make money the easy way, or the hard way?
Being a LAG player means you're straying away from Sklansky's recommended starting hands and are playing more hands than your Tight Agressive Player. Why? Mainly because it's fun. The advantage of a LAG is that you become hard to read, and when you become good at it, you can push people off hands, or value bet under the right circumstances. When is the perfect time to play LAG? In position vs. tight passive players or weak tight, people who do not go to showdown that often.
It's wrong to give yourself a strict hand range. I play by feel. I didn't work to become a 31/22/3 lag. I developed my own style. When the table is good, I raise a lot of hands. When the table is playing back at me, I play tighter. I don't always play 30% of my hands. Sometimes I play way less, other times I play way more. It's always situational. ALWAYS. The only hand that can be played pretty much the same way is 2-7 - FOLD lol. But even then, if you're going to make a move on villain and u have 2-7, you might just play it...
Cards become irrelevant in short handed, to a certain degree. There's a huge difference between open-raising and 3betting. Not so much between 3betting and capping. Think about that one :)
Oh right, I just realized the name of this topic. My bankroll! I had a wonderful day today. I basically went on a 50k hand stretch of BREAKING EVEN. After last month's crash @ 5/10 too! Sick, just sick.
To summarize, in the last week of january, I played 3/6 again because I had over a 30bb downswing @ 5/10. For the first 10k hands at 3/6, i ran at 2bb+/100. After that, it started to go downhill. The lowest I had was I think 2.5k? This is why I like to keep 1000bb bankrolls :) Now that it's March 1st, I've accumulated up to 5.2k WITHOUT rakeback. Out of 51k hands, I'm running at -.22bb/100. According ot pt, I'm down $600ish. I think that's more or less correct. Now, with rakeback, I have approximately 7.7k :) As soon as I have 6-7k in my account, I'm going to jump up to 5/10 and dabble around.
What's my goal for March? 20k+ bankroll. No joke. I need to put in some serious hours.
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On a side note, you should always be focusing and playing your A game when you play SHLHE. TAKE NOTES!!! They're so much more useful than PT postflop.
For example, this hand came up, and vs. most people I check/call. Versus this villain, I can confidently check/fold.
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Pre-flop: (6 players) MikeySong is SB with 5c 7h
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Button calls, MikeySong calls, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, Button calls, MikeySong calls.
Flop: 5s as 4h (8SB, 4 players)
MikeySong checks, BB bets, 2 folds, MikeySong calls.
Turn: 5d (5BB, 2 players)
MikeySong checks, BB bets, MikeySong raises, BB calls.
River: ad (9BB, 2 players)
MikeySong checks, BB bets, MikeySong folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to BB.
This guy is a scared passive player. He always bets out TP when he hits it, and when he has a strong hand, he easily gets excited and bets quickly. Easy strong reliable tell that I can count on. On the river, the bet came very very quickly, I'm pretty sure he clicked bet/raise.
ALRIGHT, TIME FOR HAND OF THE NIGHT. WHATS MY ACTION?
BB is 47.75/9/.08 *LOL (this is out of 111 hands)
UTG+1 is 76.19/14.29/1.5
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Pre-flop: (6 players) MikeySong is CO with ad ac
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, MikeySong 3-bets, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 caps, MikeySong calls, BB calls.
Flop: :10c 7c ah (12.67SB, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MikeySong bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.
Turn: kc (7.83BB, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MikeySong raises, BB calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MikeySong ???
What's my action? What do I do on the turn and then river?
Gnight!
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
5 players
Pre-flop: (5 players) MikeySong is UTG with 5h as
MikeySong raises, CO folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, MikeySong calls.
Flop: qc 5d 4s (7.67SB, 2 players)
MikeySong checks, Button bets, MikeySong raises, Button calls.
Turn: ah (5.83BB, 2 players)
MikeySong bets, Button raises, MikeySong 3-bets, Button calls.
River: kh (11.83BB, 2 players)
MikeySong CHECK/CALLS
Villain showed AK.
Alrighty, let's look at this hand. I raised utg and button 3bet from the button. From a logical standpoint, this could mean several things, the most logical being, he has a strong hand to 3bet a UTG raiser, while the other end would be, he is going to play his position vs. me
Flop: he bet/calls my check-raise. AQ most likely 3bets here. Now I'm putting him on A high or pocket pair.
Turn: the Ace, I bet and he-raises - obv. has an Ace, does he have AQ?, I 3bet and he only calls. He does not have AQ. I actually didn't give him a range, I just knew I was ahead here.
River: K. I seriously froze. It just made total sense to me that villain had AK, but check/folding is too silly! And if I'm right, do I really want to bet fold or bet call? I just don't know how can you fold here. So I check/called. My gut was right and he showed two pair, AK. Now, villain could've easily had AJ, A10, etc. but I felt so strongly he had AK I just had to check/call.
Mags, you wrote: "I think betting makes him fold a wide range of weak hands where checking may induce a bluff bet. My thinking definetly seems flawed because he might check down a weak ace."
I really like this line of thinking. One thing to never forget is that in these low limit games, a weak Ace is never folding. I believe that someone with an aggression level of near 2 is willing to bet the river with a weak Ace if we check it. The whole time we were representing a strong hand, and now we're checking? This is villain's last attempt to bluff us off a hand, so checking to induce a bluff is not a bad play at all! (but if you know you're ahead, it's still better to bet for metagame reasons, otherwise ppl will float you to the river and bet when you check)
I think 40/27 is a silly lag. I really don't know what his 3betting range is. I forget where but I read somewhere that having your stats of 30/20/2 are optimal and I'll believe it, my stats are very similar to that :D
I want to sidetrack for a second. Another friend I was talking to mentioned something along the lines of becoming really LAG. I don't know why you would want to become as LAG as possible? The more LAG you are, the bigger teh variance/swings you'll experience. A friend asked me, do you want to make money the easy way, or the hard way?
Being a LAG player means you're straying away from Sklansky's recommended starting hands and are playing more hands than your Tight Agressive Player. Why? Mainly because it's fun. The advantage of a LAG is that you become hard to read, and when you become good at it, you can push people off hands, or value bet under the right circumstances. When is the perfect time to play LAG? In position vs. tight passive players or weak tight, people who do not go to showdown that often.
It's wrong to give yourself a strict hand range. I play by feel. I didn't work to become a 31/22/3 lag. I developed my own style. When the table is good, I raise a lot of hands. When the table is playing back at me, I play tighter. I don't always play 30% of my hands. Sometimes I play way less, other times I play way more. It's always situational. ALWAYS. The only hand that can be played pretty much the same way is 2-7 - FOLD lol. But even then, if you're going to make a move on villain and u have 2-7, you might just play it...
Cards become irrelevant in short handed, to a certain degree. There's a huge difference between open-raising and 3betting. Not so much between 3betting and capping. Think about that one :)
Oh right, I just realized the name of this topic. My bankroll! I had a wonderful day today. I basically went on a 50k hand stretch of BREAKING EVEN. After last month's crash @ 5/10 too! Sick, just sick.
To summarize, in the last week of january, I played 3/6 again because I had over a 30bb downswing @ 5/10. For the first 10k hands at 3/6, i ran at 2bb+/100. After that, it started to go downhill. The lowest I had was I think 2.5k? This is why I like to keep 1000bb bankrolls :) Now that it's March 1st, I've accumulated up to 5.2k WITHOUT rakeback. Out of 51k hands, I'm running at -.22bb/100. According ot pt, I'm down $600ish. I think that's more or less correct. Now, with rakeback, I have approximately 7.7k :) As soon as I have 6-7k in my account, I'm going to jump up to 5/10 and dabble around.
What's my goal for March? 20k+ bankroll. No joke. I need to put in some serious hours.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On a side note, you should always be focusing and playing your A game when you play SHLHE. TAKE NOTES!!! They're so much more useful than PT postflop.
For example, this hand came up, and vs. most people I check/call. Versus this villain, I can confidently check/fold.
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Pre-flop: (6 players) MikeySong is SB with 5c 7h
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Button calls, MikeySong calls, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, Button calls, MikeySong calls.
Flop: 5s as 4h (8SB, 4 players)
MikeySong checks, BB bets, 2 folds, MikeySong calls.
Turn: 5d (5BB, 2 players)
MikeySong checks, BB bets, MikeySong raises, BB calls.
River: ad (9BB, 2 players)
MikeySong checks, BB bets, MikeySong folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to BB.
This guy is a scared passive player. He always bets out TP when he hits it, and when he has a strong hand, he easily gets excited and bets quickly. Easy strong reliable tell that I can count on. On the river, the bet came very very quickly, I'm pretty sure he clicked bet/raise.
ALRIGHT, TIME FOR HAND OF THE NIGHT. WHATS MY ACTION?
BB is 47.75/9/.08 *LOL (this is out of 111 hands)
UTG+1 is 76.19/14.29/1.5
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Pre-flop: (6 players) MikeySong is CO with ad ac
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, MikeySong 3-bets, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 caps, MikeySong calls, BB calls.
Flop: :10c 7c ah (12.67SB, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MikeySong bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.
Turn: kc (7.83BB, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MikeySong raises, BB calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MikeySong ???
What's my action? What do I do on the turn and then river?
Gnight!
posted by Michael Song at
12:40 AM
2 Comments:
i don't like the checkraise on the flop. are you trying to make him fold? if you're trying to find out where you are, then what are you going to do when a jack falls on the turn? are you planning on check/calling down? if that is your plan to shut down after flop then i think check/raising here is spew. check/calling is much more in order imho.
after check-raising the flop, you can most likely bet/fold the turn if villain isn't a maniac and if another face card hits.
The check-raise is for value as well as fold equity, it works as a double edged sword I guess. We find out if we're ahead, and if we are, we probably fold worse hands unless we're lucky enough to value bet them to the river.
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